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		<title>By: Terri</title>
		<link>http://crip-power.com/2008/05/01/the-terp-from-helllll/#comment-2393</link>
		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post--what you said about "isms" being about power rather than dislike has given me tons to think about.

There are those who go into caring professions because they really like the power and they do think their power is the central purpose of the caring relationship. I have seen this in nursing. Thankfully, these folks are in the minority. 

The problem is that it often presents as a subtle undercurrent that is difficult to quantify or recognize from the outside (or even from the inside at times), which is why you didn't see it with your friend. This makes it really hard to make a credible complaint about it and get action.

I am glad you and your friends are all reporting (or reported, by this time!) I think she needs a different career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post&#8211;what you said about &#8220;isms&#8221; being about power rather than dislike has given me tons to think about.</p>
<p>There are those who go into caring professions because they really like the power and they do think their power is the central purpose of the caring relationship. I have seen this in nursing. Thankfully, these folks are in the minority. </p>
<p>The problem is that it often presents as a subtle undercurrent that is difficult to quantify or recognize from the outside (or even from the inside at times), which is why you didn&#8217;t see it with your friend. This makes it really hard to make a credible complaint about it and get action.</p>
<p>I am glad you and your friends are all reporting (or reported, by this time!) I think she needs a different career.</p>
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		<title>By: daisydeadhead</title>
		<link>http://crip-power.com/2008/05/01/the-terp-from-helllll/#comment-2345</link>
		<dc:creator>daisydeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and comments, CC.  

I'd like to hear some discussion from the "other end"... like, what about being put in the position of caregiving and you know the person is borderline-harming themselves?  Example:   I once witnessed someone habitually insist that his aide facilitate his drinking/drugging himself into oblivion.  The aide (actually several of them), ended up quitting because they just couldn't deal.  

Yes, I suppose we could say it was his "choice"--but really, as an ex-addict, I recognized it more as his simple inability to stop.  I tried to haphazardly intervene, but you know how that goes.

Discussions of these types of knotty caregiving  issues are necessary to facilitate full social inclusion for disabled people, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and comments, CC.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear some discussion from the &#8220;other end&#8221;&#8230; like, what about being put in the position of caregiving and you know the person is borderline-harming themselves?  Example:   I once witnessed someone habitually insist that his aide facilitate his drinking/drugging himself into oblivion.  The aide (actually several of them), ended up quitting because they just couldn&#8217;t deal.  </p>
<p>Yes, I suppose we could say it was his &#8220;choice&#8221;&#8211;but really, as an ex-addict, I recognized it more as his simple inability to stop.  I tried to haphazardly intervene, but you know how that goes.</p>
<p>Discussions of these types of knotty caregiving  issues are necessary to facilitate full social inclusion for disabled people, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Olson</title>
		<link>http://crip-power.com/2008/05/01/the-terp-from-helllll/#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 10:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeviousDiva: It may depend a bit on what exactly you did at age 17 as an assistant for this disabled woman, but my general opinion from personal experience is that the real job requirement is respect, not age, maturity or some sort of health care expertise. I say that as someone required to have nurses help me in order for the money to go round. Despite that requirement, I end up training &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; on specific tasks like suctioning my windpipe (I have a trach and use a vent) because even the licensed nurses have no real life experience with it. The nurses may be more likely to apply to work for me, but they aren't significantly more skilled, which galls me as the trainer of an already very limited pool of possible workers here in the rural Midwest.  


Also, CripChick: YES, to this:

&lt;i&gt;AND something i’ve noticed about my blog is how many times i’ve said stupid shit and looking back, want to erase it or hide my face. but blogging is a great way to learn about communities we aren’t involved with and how our oppressions are linked. i’m glad to have space to say stupid shit, be called out on it, and continue life at a new place.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeviousDiva: It may depend a bit on what exactly you did at age 17 as an assistant for this disabled woman, but my general opinion from personal experience is that the real job requirement is respect, not age, maturity or some sort of health care expertise. I say that as someone required to have nurses help me in order for the money to go round. Despite that requirement, I end up training <i>everyone</i> on specific tasks like suctioning my windpipe (I have a trach and use a vent) because even the licensed nurses have no real life experience with it. The nurses may be more likely to apply to work for me, but they aren&#8217;t significantly more skilled, which galls me as the trainer of an already very limited pool of possible workers here in the rural Midwest.  </p>
<p>Also, CripChick: YES, to this:</p>
<p><i>AND something i’ve noticed about my blog is how many times i’ve said stupid shit and looking back, want to erase it or hide my face. but blogging is a great way to learn about communities we aren’t involved with and how our oppressions are linked. i’m glad to have space to say stupid shit, be called out on it, and continue life at a new place.</i></p>
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		<title>By: maudite entendante</title>
		<link>http://crip-power.com/2008/05/01/the-terp-from-helllll/#comment-2337</link>
		<dc:creator>maudite entendante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 06:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been flipping back to this post since you put it up, hoping that at some point I'd have a more constructive comment than "AAAAGH!!!"  Still haven't found one.

(Though, as someone who occasionally gets pulled in to interpret but is most emphatically &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; an interpreter, I will say that deviousdiva is right on the money.  It's pretty darn obvious - even without an ITP, even without certification - that interpreting should not be about pleasing the interpreter.  Providing what the interpreter needs to do a good job and be treated fairly as a worker and a person, yes - but providing gratification for the interpreter's ego, not so much.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been flipping back to this post since you put it up, hoping that at some point I&#8217;d have a more constructive comment than &#8220;AAAAGH!!!&#8221;  Still haven&#8217;t found one.</p>
<p>(Though, as someone who occasionally gets pulled in to interpret but is most emphatically <i>not</i> an interpreter, I will say that deviousdiva is right on the money.  It&#8217;s pretty darn obvious - even without an ITP, even without certification - that interpreting should not be about pleasing the interpreter.  Providing what the interpreter needs to do a good job and be treated fairly as a worker and a person, yes - but providing gratification for the interpreter&#8217;s ego, not so much.)</p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comprehensive answer Aaminah. I wonder what the situation is in England.  I dread to think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comprehensive answer Aaminah. I wonder what the situation is in England.  I dread to think&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lastcrazyhorn</title>
		<link>http://crip-power.com/2008/05/01/the-terp-from-helllll/#comment-2332</link>
		<dc:creator>lastcrazyhorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AAGH!!!  I'm in the kind of mood where I feel like braining people with heavy rocks.  Would you like to point me towards her???

That just annoys the piss out of me that she could be like that!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AAGH!!!  I&#8217;m in the kind of mood where I feel like braining people with heavy rocks.  Would you like to point me towards her???</p>
<p>That just annoys the piss out of me that she could be like that!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaminah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaminah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 13:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer your question, Devious Diva, it varies. For spoken languages there are no "legal" required courses/training, but most agecies do offer a significant amount of training. That said, there are certainly agencies that do not and that will take anyone who just barely speaks two languages. There is no certification process at the present time, though it is being worked on on a national level. There is a national set of standards and a code of ethics that most agencies do provide to their interpreters. Whether agencies expect their interpreters to uphold them varies right now, and there are many unqualified interpreters who offer their services without going through an agency and have no idea what the word ethics even means, much less being familiar with the standard code. The reality is that if you want to be a professional interpreter, you should take serious the requirements of the job and obtain the appropriate training and resources for yourself. The fact that agencies offer this is a bonus; but interpreters should care enough about their profession to seek out the training they need. 

For sign language interpreters, however, it is a completely different situation. They do have certification processes and are required to maintain a minimum certification level and are required to have gone through extensive training to obtain that certification. They are also required, in order to maintain certification, to show a good amount of annual continuing education. There is a very clear Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice that they do not have the luxury of ignoring. In short, the interpreter in this case should be reported because there are definite repercussions for such behavior. Certifications for ASL come in different levels, and people should ask what level an ASL interpreter currently holds and if it has been maintained, then you can decide if they even have the level of skills you require. For example, my agency will not work with anyone under a QA3 certification. Other agencies will accept lower levels, we do not. Which means that our interpreters have tougher standards and a greater degree of training. But even a QA2 certification IS a certification and required a great deal of training. So there is no excuse for such unprofessional behavior as Crip Chick's friend dealt with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your question, Devious Diva, it varies. For spoken languages there are no &#8220;legal&#8221; required courses/training, but most agecies do offer a significant amount of training. That said, there are certainly agencies that do not and that will take anyone who just barely speaks two languages. There is no certification process at the present time, though it is being worked on on a national level. There is a national set of standards and a code of ethics that most agencies do provide to their interpreters. Whether agencies expect their interpreters to uphold them varies right now, and there are many unqualified interpreters who offer their services without going through an agency and have no idea what the word ethics even means, much less being familiar with the standard code. The reality is that if you want to be a professional interpreter, you should take serious the requirements of the job and obtain the appropriate training and resources for yourself. The fact that agencies offer this is a bonus; but interpreters should care enough about their profession to seek out the training they need. </p>
<p>For sign language interpreters, however, it is a completely different situation. They do have certification processes and are required to maintain a minimum certification level and are required to have gone through extensive training to obtain that certification. They are also required, in order to maintain certification, to show a good amount of annual continuing education. There is a very clear Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice that they do not have the luxury of ignoring. In short, the interpreter in this case should be reported because there are definite repercussions for such behavior. Certifications for ASL come in different levels, and people should ask what level an ASL interpreter currently holds and if it has been maintained, then you can decide if they even have the level of skills you require. For example, my agency will not work with anyone under a QA3 certification. Other agencies will accept lower levels, we do not. Which means that our interpreters have tougher standards and a greater degree of training. But even a QA2 certification IS a certification and required a great deal of training. So there is no excuse for such unprofessional behavior as Crip Chick&#8217;s friend dealt with.</p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 11:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for responding to my comment cripchick. Really appreciate that.

I am interested to know what training people get for becoming interpreters  and do they have regular follow-up training ?


Aaminah said
"The role of the interpreter is to be a tool and nothing more. The person they are interpreting for has their own voice and should be using it and the interpreter is just there to help facilitate the conversation AS IF THERE WERE NO BARRIER...

the interpreter is NEVER the center of the action"

This seems very obvious to me. Like rule number one. How is it possible for someone to become an interpretor without even this basic understanding of the work. Is it because there is no value put on the position because people with disabilities are considered less important?

I worked as a "caregiver" for Elaine, a severely disabled woman, when I was just 17 years old. I was given no training at all. I had just left home, had no experience of the world. I could barely look after myself, let alone a grown woman who needed round the clock care. Looking back I am appalled that I was given the job (even though we became great friends). Perhaps nowadays I would not have been given the job, I'm not sure.

I am really glad that I had the opportunity to meet Elaine but I really have to question the ethics of my getting that job. Well, just to say I am appalled that you have to put up with this level of incompetence and stupidity. It's just wrong and I wonder what the agencies who are (supposedly) in control, are doing about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding to my comment cripchick. Really appreciate that.</p>
<p>I am interested to know what training people get for becoming interpreters  and do they have regular follow-up training ?</p>
<p>Aaminah said<br />
&#8220;The role of the interpreter is to be a tool and nothing more. The person they are interpreting for has their own voice and should be using it and the interpreter is just there to help facilitate the conversation AS IF THERE WERE NO BARRIER&#8230;</p>
<p>the interpreter is NEVER the center of the action&#8221;</p>
<p>This seems very obvious to me. Like rule number one. How is it possible for someone to become an interpretor without even this basic understanding of the work. Is it because there is no value put on the position because people with disabilities are considered less important?</p>
<p>I worked as a &#8220;caregiver&#8221; for Elaine, a severely disabled woman, when I was just 17 years old. I was given no training at all. I had just left home, had no experience of the world. I could barely look after myself, let alone a grown woman who needed round the clock care. Looking back I am appalled that I was given the job (even though we became great friends). Perhaps nowadays I would not have been given the job, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>I am really glad that I had the opportunity to meet Elaine but I really have to question the ethics of my getting that job. Well, just to say I am appalled that you have to put up with this level of incompetence and stupidity. It&#8217;s just wrong and I wonder what the agencies who are (supposedly) in control, are doing about it?</p>
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		<title>By: revbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>revbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 08:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name!  This interpreter has a name, and either through this blog or  through blog carnivals, you can put this person's name and  unsatisfactory performance out where a substantrial fraction of the people who could hire this interpreter will know about it.

This may top your story: we had a Russian/English interpreter  a few years ago when  the company I worked for was exploring a collaboration with a company in Russia. Instead of translatring, the interpreter spent most of her time trying to get somebody in the room to give her a job and ended up alienating everybody. We kicked her out and the Russian engineer and a couple of us ended up drawing graphs and equations and  scoped out the requirements  The interpretrer solved a major problem for us: we neded to do some relationship building,  since were about to trade some proprietary technologies. And we all agreed  on one thing:  we all hated her.


Maybe you and your colleagues can use this terp from hell to   aid some relationship building of your own. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name!  This interpreter has a name, and either through this blog or  through blog carnivals, you can put this person&#8217;s name and  unsatisfactory performance out where a substantrial fraction of the people who could hire this interpreter will know about it.</p>
<p>This may top your story: we had a Russian/English interpreter  a few years ago when  the company I worked for was exploring a collaboration with a company in Russia. Instead of translatring, the interpreter spent most of her time trying to get somebody in the room to give her a job and ended up alienating everybody. We kicked her out and the Russian engineer and a couple of us ended up drawing graphs and equations and  scoped out the requirements  The interpretrer solved a major problem for us: we neded to do some relationship building,  since were about to trade some proprietary technologies. And we all agreed  on one thing:  we all hated her.</p>
<p>Maybe you and your colleagues can use this terp from hell to   aid some relationship building of your own. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a real confusion in the area of those who work for people with disabilities about the fact that 1. they are paid and 2. it's a job with rules like any other job. I've seen this time after time with my own experiences - cancelling without calling, as Emma points out being late without letting me know and asking "where are you going anyway?" ; watching TV  when I need hands on help, etc.  I'm glad there is follow-through with this- I've become careful to follow through on this kind of behavior too, knowing that if I don't, the next person they "help" will be treated in the same, unprofessional manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a real confusion in the area of those who work for people with disabilities about the fact that 1. they are paid and 2. it&#8217;s a job with rules like any other job. I&#8217;ve seen this time after time with my own experiences - cancelling without calling, as Emma points out being late without letting me know and asking &#8220;where are you going anyway?&#8221; ; watching TV  when I need hands on help, etc.  I&#8217;m glad there is follow-through with this- I&#8217;ve become careful to follow through on this kind of behavior too, knowing that if I don&#8217;t, the next person they &#8220;help&#8221; will be treated in the same, unprofessional manner.</p>
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